“The same lens that makes you a great investor of money will also make you a great investor of your time and your talent.” In this episode of Cash Flow Pro, we talk with Christopher Nelson, Co-Founder of Wealthward Capital. Christopher...
“The same lens that makes you a great investor of money will also make you a great investor of your time and your talent.”
In this episode of Cash Flow Pro, we talk with Christopher Nelson, Co-Founder of Wealthward Capital. Christopher began working for startups as a technology consultant and, after ten years, eventually decided to take a chance on real estate and be his own boss. Today, he is here to discuss his transition from
Christopher created Wealthward Capital, an equity investment firm, in 2017. Today, they have invested in 3000 units with a $300 million value. The firm aims to educate investors and tech employees on building a passive income portfolio.
In this episode, we discuss:
• Sudden wealth syndrome and the importance of education
• Discussing cash flow vs. appreciation
• Wealthward Capital portfolio building and transparency
• Mobile homes and their advantages
If you are interested in learning how to generate cash flow and new real estate investment opportunities, don’t miss out on today’s episode.
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Casey Brown 0:00
After and see what we can do here, we can cause some damage.
Unknown Speaker 0:03
All right, let's do it.
Casey Brown 0:07
Hey there, and
Unknown Speaker 0:08
welcome to today's episode of cash flow Pro.
Casey Brown 0:12
We are glad to have you on our podcast or if you're watching on YouTube, our YouTube channel, we are glad to have you today we are here with Christopher Nelson, wealth, word capital. And he is here to tell us all about where he's been, how he got his sights set on real estate and where he's headed. So Christopher, how are you today?
Unknown Speaker 0:36
Casey, I am doing phenomenal because I am here talking to people that are pursuing cashflow. And that's what I love to talk about.
Casey Brown 0:44
Absolutely, man, Well, we're certainly glad to have you. And we want to, you know, we want to hear all about your adventures. And then of course, you know, we were talking a little bit before the show about how, you know, you kind of decided to say, hey, you know, I didn't want to, didn't want just inflation tune up my money. So I started to set my sights on things I could do to generate cash flow. So man, if you want to, like kind of take us back throughout, you know, kind of when you got started in your maybe professional life in general. And then, and then what what kind of maybe geared you towards saying, Hey, I needed to need to invest in some of this passive income stuff?
Unknown Speaker 1:23
Well, I'll tell you, I mean, it did start with I think, many people started with Rich Dad, Poor Dad, right. So I read it when I was in college in the late 90s. And I thought, Okay, I want to be able to get money working for me when I sleep like I had, that always is my goal. But the there's no roadmap, there's no sort of quick and easy buddy button to get there. So graduating with a degree in, you know, technology field, I started working right away for a very large company. And I gained a lot of skills. And I saw a lot of my peers were actually leaving at the time and going to work for the startup companies. And I was starting to see them go through some of them, were going through IPOs and getting this, you know, sort of pile of cash. And I thought to myself, if I could do that, I can get this mountain of cash, then I could go figure out this whole real estate, this whole cash flow thing. And so after a 10 year career in technology consulting, where I built up some great skills, I headed off to go conquer the, you know, startup world, and my first one, abject failure, I chose poorly. And instead of, you know, having this mountain of cash, I ended up you know, nursing an ulcer a year later working for a bad boss with a company going nowhere. And so I'm sure, yeah, so I had to take a pause, and I had to retreat. And I had to just really analyze and say, How did I select this company? What was I doing and what I realized Casey is that the same lens that makes you a great investor of money, will also make you a great investor, have your time and your talent. So that's when I actually went back to Kiyosaki. And I realized, well wait a second, he's right in the sense that I want to be able to be an owner of a company. And working in technology, I have the ability to trade my time and talent for equity, be a part owner, but I have to think like an investor. So I put together a due diligence criteria. I did some risk analysis. And what I realized is that I didn't want to go work for this early stage startup or some sort of opportunistic deal. I wanted to actually go work for a value add, I wanted to try find a company that was, you know, 12 to 18 months away from an IPO close to the exit, I understood what that looked like. So then, when I actually made my second choice within 11 months, you know, we had a seven multiple seven figure payday. Well, man,
Casey Brown 3:47
I mean, you know what, that's, that's got to be one of those life changing decisions, I guess, right?
Unknown Speaker 3:56
Yeah. It was, it was a life changing decision. And, you know, it was one of those things that I, you know, was working towards it. But then all of a sudden, when it happens, you know, in you, you have this day, when all of a sudden on paper in the market, you have this now, you know, much larger net worth than I ever had in my life previously. It also brings in a flood of emotions. What a lot of people don't realize is that there's a sudden wealth syndrome that actually creates anxiety creates depression creates a feeling of isolation, because of the fact that you don't know who to talk to. You don't know what to do. And so you are overwhelmed with this fear of I don't want to be that idiot.
Casey Brown 4:41
When you certainly don't know who to trust, I'm sure. I mean, you know, you hate to be discussing cash flow and talking about lottery winners, you know, are investing in talking about lottery winners, but you know, they made a whole TV show about that stuff. Ryan and the sudden wealth of and I And I remember, one guy ended up getting himself killed because he just didn't have he didn't have a clue. He didn't have a clue that there was people were going to try to. And of course, we're talking extremes. I mean, I don't like, but but Sudden Wealth syndrome, I've never actually heard it, I've never actually heard it called that it's
Unknown Speaker 5:16
just, it's the same thing that happens to, you know, football players, you know, on draft day, right? All of a sudden, nothing, and then boom, you know, millions. And so, you know, what, what, what my wife and I did is we took a pause in our next thing that we did sort of in sort of life was just let's get educated. So we really cracking the books really started, you know, under men taking courses, we wanted to understand the math behind real estate, we wanted to understand the details, started getting to know people and didn't make, we weren't making any moves or investment was first and foremost in ourselves, and really understanding it. And at that point, we're in the Bay Area. So we started doing some, you know, crowd funding, again, where we could put in, you know, 510 $1,000, things that we didn't mind putting at risk, but we had skin in the game. And then we could monitor and manage it and see how our performance was doing. And it was really a move to Austin, Texas, that then really opened up the
Casey Brown 6:18
real estate world for us. Wow. And what year was that?
Unknown Speaker 6:22
So we moved here in 2017.
Casey Brown 6:24
Okay, so So really just because, you know, like, like, it's like everybody talks about the Beatles and Austin, we know, I mean, it's like now, as far as today's time, like everything there. Austin is the coolest thing ever. It's the coolest place to be like, you're nothing if you don't, if you don't either invest or own or know somebody that lives in Austin, that, that that's in that's in real estate. It's just, and you know, and I remember when I was a kid, and tucked back in like, and I hate to just dive right into Austin, but I just mean, you know, when I was a kid, I mean, Austin was like, were my, like, where I knew some people's grandparents that live there or something. I mean, it was just, it wasn't necessarily off the beaten path, because it's always a guy. It's the Capitol, right? I'm trying to Yeah, the capital of Texas. And, and so it was just not, but now it's like the hip cool. Oh, yeah. So anyway, you know, like, like, you just hear you hear guys rapping about Austin? Really?
Unknown Speaker 7:25
I haven't heard that you'll have to.
Casey Brown 7:26
So but you know, so the move to Austin opened up, just like completely, like, opened up what was already kind of there. And it just,
Unknown Speaker 7:36
it just want you to accessible Casey, because what it was, is when you're living in a high cost of living area, when you're living in the Bay, are you aware? Think, okay, million dollar homes, there's no cash flow? How am I going to buy this, you wouldn't syndicate that. It's truly, you know, a billionaires game. You come here to Texas, and, you know, you go to meetups, and people are buying, you know, buildings that you can walk and see. And we can touch and feel we're like, Wait, this is where we need to be in 2017. You know, people thought that that was sort of the end of the cycle. But as we know, now, that was really sort of the beginning of, you know, this catapult of 1718 1920 was a little weird, but then 21 went even further. So, you know, we started participating as limited partners, and, you know, making some more investments. And that's when everything changed for me, because as I was sharing what I was doing with, you know, co workers and friends back in the Bay Area, who are technology executives, technology employees, high net worth a lot of exposure to the stock market, or you know, venture investments, which again, are very illiquid no cash flow, looking for equity multiples. Yep. They said, We need income in our portfolio, we need cash flow, they saw us starting to build up and I was just so excited. I'm like, we're getting cash flow at that point, you know, you're getting off of multifamily. You know, you can get you know, 11% 10% you know, nine, eight, etc. It was phenomenal. And so this is where, you know, wealth word capital was born in in 2017. Where, you know, I started pulling some capital in partnering with operators here to, you know, help syndicate multifamily apartments and, and then we grew from Austin to Dallas and San Antonio, and that's where we built a portfolio of 3000 units and, you know, roughly value.
Casey Brown 9:36
Li I mean, and that's it and you syndicated all that.
Unknown Speaker 9:41
Casey Brown 9:43
Oh my gosh, $3,000. That's unbelievable. And now, so, so Austin, Dallas and San Antonio. I mean, you're you're in like the coolest areas of Texas all around. Now, of course. You know, we talk so much We hear so much about investing in coming. You said you came from the Bay Area. So I want to kind of go back there just a little bit. We hear so much talk about not investing in California in New York, basically. And I don't mean to just throw those two under the bus because I know there's some other little areas where that are that aren't the best in the world, either. But, you know, a guy was telling me the other day we were we were he was on my podcast. Matter of fact, we were talking about note buying, he was buying, buying, you're buying first mortgages that were that were they were people that were behind or troubled or whatever. Yeah. And so he said he bought he doesn't buy in Texas, because they're the notes are too high. They're too expensive. And part of the reason why they're too expensive is because they are it's like foreclosure and eviction, or whatever is really easy. Like, I don't say really easy, but it's certainly easier. And shorter time period, then, like he said, in New York or California, three years, takes you three years to get possession of the property. So I hadn't made payments on or, and then of course, then you own something over there, too. So you so you know, when like, I still I'm struggling to find the to figure the advantages of investing over there. And you see, you've made a comment there a minute ago, you said that it's a billionaires game. Yeah. And I'm assuming that that's meaning that, you know, the returns are are steadier, or they're just, they're able to I mean, I'm just wondering what what would make that a billionaires game, versus them being in Texas where obviously Texas is, is decent cash flow, no rent control, evict somebody pretty quick and move on down the road? And, and if they're not paying, so I guess I just did you ever see advantages? Or looking back? Do you see advantages to why somebody would invest in California?
Unknown Speaker 11:48
Well, I mean, I can just tell you my experience of owning a home there. I mean, we owned a home there, we purchased a home in 2013, you know, 2000 square foot for four bedroom, two bath for 1.3 million, we sell it three years later for $2 million. So what I'm saying is like that, but you know, this is where I say it's a billionaires game, because billionaires are going to be diversified, they're going to be looking at different ways. And we know right now that there are, you know, billionaires that own homes that are renting them, they're renting them for a loss, because they realize that, that upside that they're going to get is going to be worth it, but they have
Casey Brown 12:31
value the property going up versus Yeah, just the cash flow. Okay. 100%.
Unknown Speaker 12:35
And so that's where, to me, this is where, you know, my lens is, everyone investments profile can be different depending on what they need. And so I think for us, that aren't billionaires, those of us who actually want also real income in our portfolio that don't have piles of money that we can burn down while others are growing it. We need cash flow. And so that's where
Casey Brown 13:00
so you're saying you're saying that those folks are able to buy more for because, you know, there's again, there's always that argument of of cashflow or appreciation. And of course, it's I always say it's it's the guy that has 300,000 his bank account, losing 100,000 is pretty detrimental. The guy that's got three, three $3 million in his bank account, and he loses 100,000. Obviously, he doesn't want to lose it, but I'm just saying it's, it's it's so so the risk. But has there ever been a risk really to owning real estate even in California, I mean, from an upside potential and I was going through this with somebody the other day, where he was talking about, he owns a property and oh, five and then sold it in Oh, six for some big money. And then, you know, then of course, we look back now if you were trying to sell an OA you were not very smart. If you have no five and you're still holding on to it today. You're a genius. So the appreciation game you hear that argument all the time, cashflow, appreciation, cashflow, appreciation, and sometimes we try to combine both. But what you know, I just don't know that California has ever in the big scheme of things when you look at the graph, lost money, have they?
Unknown Speaker 14:22
Oh, I think they have like I think in different dips, like I definitely know people that are know of people that you know, had, you know, done some of those purchases, let's say, you know 562 1000 567 Where then they got maybe sort of overextended on a mortgage and then they lost on that because there was a there was a dip at that point in time and and then the people who bought the dip, crushed it. So you know there has been some some dips in California but I think if you have a mentality of a long term buy and hold and you you know the interesting thing like What many people don't understand is that the majority of the people that are buying their homes, like, let's say, in the bay area where it's so people like the home prices are crazy. And the reality is, if you're buying a, you know, when we bought a home for $1.3 million, we put down $700,000, you know, that, again, was come from tech equity, but many people have a ton of equity in their home. So this is where, you know, that all of a sudden sets a price point where it's not like everyone has 100 grand in their home and the rest is levered, so then it's going to be floating based on.
Casey Brown 15:36
Yeah. Okay, so you're talking about there, they've got some room to potentially lose. And of course, I know that sometimes a lot of times when you're in the tech industry, and, and when you're, you know, if you're moving around, especially moving around between companies, a lot of times those companies sometimes will have an REO company or whatever. And it's almost like some of that losses are absorbed or something, it seems like
Unknown Speaker 16:00
you get part of your packages. I mean, I know this is having traveled as a technology executive, right, is part of your package will, you know, be a buffer for some of those things. But, you know, but I mean, getting back to your thing, Casey is is appreciation versus cash flow, I think everyone needs to just ask themselves, like, do they have the income that can more than cover their bills and help out with their lifestyle, so they don't have to be in a W. Two job or be at risk? I think that's true, you know, when I talk about with my investors, because even I know, I know, people that have, you know, $10 million net worth, but they can't stop working, because they're have so much appreciation play that they have no no income. And this is the whole thing is when you think about going back to the billionaire, you know, if you look at and I, I always look at Tiger 21, right, which is that group of investors 10 million net worth or more, if you look at their portfolio, half of it is going to be in real estate that they owned, or in private equity, where they're going to be getting cash flow. And if you imagine that it's a, you know, let's say $10 million, portfolio 5 million, let's say they're getting a 10% return just for easy math, that means they're getting 500 grand a year in cash flow, they can let all the other stuff grow. Because they can have a backstop. And this is what I'm trying to teach people, you know, especially in the tech industry, who may have the one to $3 million, is you need to take half of that and get some real income bond. It's not their dividend stocks aren't going to do it. You have to go to old school real estate and get some serious passive income. So that then you can take a sabbatical, you can downshift in your career, maybe you don't need to make, you know, 150 grand a year, maybe you just need to make 50 grand a year because you got a backstop, you know, and that's, yeah, what I'm trying to show people how to do.
Casey Brown 18:01
Yeah, and I mean, that's so smart. Because the thing is, is that if you can take if you can take the years, especially and I say especially in the tech industry or the tech business, because those are typically higher paying jobs, certainly that were you know, I don't say there but sometimes there are higher cost of living areas as well. Yeah, so so so some of that balance but you take these chunks and you set them into to private equity or or wherever you want like some kind of a cash flow business, well then, you know, you take those chunks that you've made and then it might let you ease up some later on and keep the same keep the same continuity comes to the income so so it's really it's really smart and especially with with I don't know people that are system minded, I mean, I guess I'm this I'm a system system minded person, where I just want to like you want to be and you want things to be reliable, where you know, you know, next month you're gonna get X number of dollars. And then you can kind of set your budget from there now. Because you know, for instance, like the real estate sales business, I know my listeners probably get tired of hearing me talk about the real estate sales business but you know, you make $50,000 Commission, okay, that's wonderful. I mean, there's there's not a lot of agents that just go out and Chuck off $50,000 But the bottom line is, is you're no better off than the guy that just made a $2,000 commission simply because and he's got a W two job to go along with those chunks because he can take that money and go invest it and keep living where you take 50,000 Now you got to live off of it and then you have a few little extravagant sees here and there and whatever and then all of a sudden it's gone and now you're back hunting for the next the next check and so you know the lumpy income that's what we've always always heard a call and I guess really but so. So I want to kind of trance I want to move this discussion towards wealth, word capital. And what See what you all have to offer? Like you were talking about 3000 doors, and where they're spread, you know, Dallas, Austin and San Antonio. And I mean, those are some pretty hot markets, and especially to have that kind of you say 300 million
Unknown Speaker 20:17
300 million? Yeah. It's the value of the portfolio.
Casey Brown 20:21
Well, oh, man, man, man. I mean, that's, that's, that's a pretty heavy, that's a pretty heavy load. I mean, how many? How many folks do you all have working with you?
Unknown Speaker 20:30
Well, so it's important to understand that Wellford capital I come in as a general partner. So I would say that, you know, my, my team, it brought probably, you know, 20% of the capital to that deal. But I actually have two main operating partners that are actually in the deals operating them as well, you know, but I am truly, you know, my, my job is really on the capital side, right. Hence, you know, raise masters that we're both in, you know, in so because my focus of wealth, word capital is I am trying to show people how to build a passive income portfolio in front of them. So, you know, part of this was myself deploying our family's capital, we're always the lead investor, whatever we bring to our group, we're letting them know how much we're going in, why we're going in, and then we're also reaching out to all of our investors. You know, here's the cash flow that we're generating, because we are, to your earlier point, Casey, trying to show them, you know, how do we deploy a million dollars of our own capital in how do we start generating a solid, consistent paycheck? Because more than anything, I know that I'm not going to be able to meet all of my investors needs, they're gonna need to invest elsewhere. But I want to show them what a great portfolio looks like. And I want to teach them by showing them.
Casey Brown 21:53
Yeah, and I've always tried to tell people to, of course, I don't do much of the teaching or jogging, I want, I want to teach my investors so that they understand what we're doing and what we're looking at. But I always preach, boom, boom, preach, that capital money needs to be forgotten about something doesn't something only costs a million dollars. If it loses value the day you buy it. Now, there's not very many million dollar things that are going to additionally, I mean, you might have a Lamborghini, maybe. And I don't even know that they lose much, because they're so rare. But what I'm getting at is, is a million dollars is only you're only spending a million dollars, if it loses money. Now, you are either investing it in something that's going to benefit you later. So I always try to tell him to not pay attention to the capital money, pay attention to what that money is making you now, whether that be in cash returns, whether that be in appreciation that maybe you don't see right away, but make that money, what it's making you is what it's really worth so and so you all you all have, like kind of a fund to fund set up then really, right.
Unknown Speaker 23:05
Well, yeah, I mean, what I'm doing is like I I'm always trying to present I'm the Lead LP here. So if you think about it, I'm deploying, and we have syndications. We've also been syndicated. So last year, what happened is, as we've seen, apartment yields decrease, starting in 2021, we then we then create a fund and we invest in into, you know, automated teller machines, right. And ATMs with depreciation. We've been, you know, haven't since pivoted heavily into mobile home parks, as you and I were discussing it in before the call, where, you know, in the mobile home park business, right, it's a growing demand and demand is off the charts supply is shrinking. And there's also significant cash flow there. There's also the opportunity for cash out refinance, right? So we want to be able to, you know, provide these and so we then created a fund that we kicked off last August, we just closed it in March, and then we have you know, some more offerings we're going to do later this year.
Casey Brown 24:14
Now, I want to just for the listeners benefit, I know the answer to this, but I'm going to ask you because I want to hear I want to hear exactly your angle on it. Let's let's talk mobile home parks real quick, and we discussed so talk about shrinking supply or talk about maybe, maybe we talk about shrinking supply, I guess we could call it shrinking,
Unknown Speaker 24:36
shrinking supply. It is a shrinking supply because they're not making any more because you'll find that a lot of you know, cities they do not want to add any mobile home parks because of the stigma not in my backyard. They also you know don't generate as much tax as a multifamily building does, but at the same time, it can utilize the same Amer more services. So they're not making any more. And we have we're operating right now in Fayetteville, North Carolina. in Fayetteville, there was a very large 100 pad Park. And right in front of it, they were building a Class A building. Well, these developers purchased that park to do what? To tear it down and just build a park. So it's so so yeah, so there you go. Yeah. And so that, to me is like a, you know, because it was not in my backyard. They didn't want to build this class a building and have the tenants out the back look into a trailer park.
Casey Brown 25:34
Yeah. So I just don't think a lot of people think of I don't think a lot of people think that. And like you said that stigma, which whatever, I've got friends that live everywhere. It doesn't make any difference to me, but stigma that's there. And it's a man it is what it is. But the fact of the matter is, you're right, the city city council's everywhere city, you know, jurisdictions everywhere are saying no, no more we don't want because you said that you hit the nail on the head, they're not getting as much tax, because they're only able to tax that as one piece of property. I'm sure I'm assuming that's probably the logic behind it. It's being taxed as one piece of property. However, you've got, say 100 families, a for each. So you've got 400 people that are using 911 The roads pulling on, you know, the I'm trying to think what other utilities? I don't know, but those kids walking,
Unknown Speaker 26:26
yeah. Fire, you name it any type of services? Well,
Casey Brown 26:34
and they're getting less taxes, because it's one property versus versus being able to tax each of
Unknown Speaker 26:38
those individual homes. Right. I mean, there's no home tax, because there's they're, they're going
Casey Brown 26:43
through because they're titled, so they're going through something else.
Unknown Speaker 26:47
Right. And so and so, you know, you'll see that. The reality is that there's a housing crisis, there is a housing crisis, right. And especially when you think that a, so let's talk about the stigma, right, there are so many working families right now they are, you know, working in the lumber mills, they're working in the factories, and they need a safe place to live, they need a safe place to raise their kids. But a $945, one bedroom, apartment, B class isn't going to cut it, because they have three children, they have a spouse. And so having a mobile home, that provides a nice shelter gives them a bit of a yard, can be in a community is really important. And, you know, a lot of you know, the mobile home parks today have been built by another generation who've owned it for 20 or 30 years, tried their best to build communities, but now they're retiring they want out. And there's a real opportunity for good operators to come in and create and really help sort of plug this housing crisis and, and it's not just the families that are of age today, we also have the silver tsunami, right, you have the 10,000 baby boomers that are retiring today, 50% of them have no savings.
Casey Brown 28:08
tell my dad that this silver tsunami, I've never had to get him on the phone, and I've never heard a guy I'm sure all the lympha if there's listeners out there vertical, the silver tsunami, please, please. That's awesome.
Unknown Speaker 28:21
No, and they need places to and guess what they want a safe, affordable place where they can also be in a community. And so it really solves a problem. You know, the reality is, too, though, there are some, you know, we you know, in Fayetteville where we operate, there are 400 mobile home parks, you know, maybe minus that one that just got tore down, so 399 But, you know, there are areas that have a lot a lot of density, and there still is a buying opportunity here.
Casey Brown 28:51
Wow, wow. Well, I'll tell you, that's, that's just all in all going to be interesting to watch. And see, you know, as, as some of these things, kind of, I guess that that they're grandfathered in. And of course, that's, that's going to be dependent upon each individual jurisdiction or whatever, but, but it's gonna be interesting to see how all of this plays out. Now, you just real quick before we jump off here, the, you know, you were talking about in Florida, and I just go back to the silver tsunami. A lot of those places have real low maintenance, too. I mean, you know, they if they have somewhere, if they can live somewhere where all of that stuff is taken care of. And like you said they have the communities but if those if the people that the started are running, those communities are beginning to turn them over. I mean, that you could definitely see that housing crisis increase if they start saying, Hey, we don't want to, we don't want to do this anymore, or something along those lines
Unknown Speaker 29:51
in ways where there's the business opportunity, right for good operators. Yeah.
Casey Brown 29:57
Sure, sure. Sure. Well, Chris Listen, you know I always in the show by letting people give their contact info out and tell people how they can reach out to you. But first of all, I want to thank you so much for your time. I know it's it's hard for people, especially somebody that's managing that kind of that kind of money and that kind of, of investor base and whatever that you've gotten involved there, it's hard to come up with the time to do these things, but I certainly do appreciate it from the bottom of my heart I appreciate you taking the time to be here. So if you would want us to tell the listeners how they can reach out to you they might want to make an investment with you they might want to pick your brain about maybe a mobile home park or or even if they've got some questions about coming to Austin or something you know, so how can how can the listeners reach out to you?
Unknown Speaker 30:39
Well, if they are interested in mobile home parks, we do have an offering it's Thrive community dot fund, I will make sure and put that in the show notes Casey with Thrive community dot find is they can learn more about our mobile home park offerings and go in there and they'll get a free webinar and they can learn about what we're doing meet the operators and have a good time. And then if you want to know more about wealth word and because we still do you know some transactions here in Central Texas, when it comes to multifamily like still on the table, they can go to wealth word like that's w e al, th W AR D wealth, word moving you towards wealth, wealth word.com. Come there. And you know, if you want to get in contact, there's a Contact page, and we'll be happy to take a meeting and have a chat.
Casey Brown 31:27
Awesome, man. Well, Christopher again, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. And we hope everybody has a wonderful rest of the day and thank you for listening to your daily investment podcast. Thank you. Thank you
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