May 5, 2022

Branding and Real Estate with Erik Cabral

“They only taught us to be a cog in the machine, not how to BE the machine…” In this episode of Cash Flow Pro, we speak with Erik Cabral, founder of On Air Brands. After leaving a career of 20+ years in corporate America, Erik jumped into real...

“They only taught us to be a cog in the machine, not how to BE the machine…”

In this episode of Cash Flow Pro, we speak with Erik Cabral, founder of On Air Brands. After leaving a career of 20+ years in corporate America, Erik jumped into real estate investing. He educated himself on how to achieve financial freedom through real estate and successfully analyzed several locations before purchasing his own multi-family. 


Erik owns a branding agency in New Jersey called On Air Brands. They help business understand their branding gaps to reach their desired audience. Today, Erik is here to teach us the importance of branding and how to apply it to real estate. 


In this episode, we discuss:

  • Breaking down brands and what it takes to make a strong brand for ‘you’
  • Branding as well as  personal branding 
  • Real estate investing
  • Investing adventures


If you’re searching for experienced advice on how to improve your brand, then you’ll want to give today’s podcast a listen!


Find your flow,

Casey Brown

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Casey Brown  0:06  
Hey there, and welcome to the cash flow pro podcast and channel. We want to thank you for joining us today. And today we are with Eric brawl, right? Well, he's with on air brands. And he's going to talk with us a little bit today about branding and personal branding, I think is really his person is his kind of forte, or at least that's what we discussed a little bit ago. And he is going to dive in. And then also as kind of a side note, he's going to talk about his real estate investing and investing adventures that he's been on. And what made him want to leave corporate America. So Eric, welcome. How are you today?

Unknown Speaker  0:48  
I'm fantastic. Thanks for having me, Casey. Oh,

Casey Brown  0:51  
yeah, sure. We're always glad to have kind of, you know, we get so we dive so deep into syndication and people when their syndication stories and things like that, that sometimes every once in a while, it's cool to have somebody that's got a little different kind of overall, maybe profession, but then still understands and has still invested in real estate. So anyway, all right. Well, tell us a little bit about yourself and what got you going i think a main point of the listeners that I like to point out is anytime somebody has left corporate America, the nine to five, the cashing the same paycheck every week lifestyle. That's what I'm after. That's what I like to dive into. But man, you take it away, it's yours to tell your story to tell.

Unknown Speaker  1:35  
Yeah, thank you, thank you for that and appreciate you and your audience and your time. It's, it's a long journey man like to, to get to the point where you can adopt the mindset where you're like, Okay, let me break free from the rat race. Let me figure out how I can control my life. Because when you're in corporate America, you know, and I did it for over 20 years, it was fine, right? It was the way I was programmed. Yeah, from from a very young age to to get a good job. Well, first, get an education, go to college, get a job. That's the goal of even why do you go to college so that my resume and you know, I can get it, which all worked, it all worked. Casey, they were right. But nobody ever talks about fulfillment. No one ever talks about your passions, no one ever talks about your happiness. They just want you to get a nice job so that you can support a family event eventually. And, you know, just live out your days. So you're in your 60s, and you click that gold watch. Or you go and maybe some steak knives, if you're lucky. So yeah, bro, I was like, I was miserable. I got I hit the, the glass ceiling. And I wasn't noticing any change in my salary. You know, I got to the top of the top, you know, as a creative director, that is the goal in graphic design, was running the show within a creative studio for a fortune 100. And I was like, Man, how does it get better than this? Unless I become partner in this, but I don't think this gigantic corporation is a global corporations gonna make me I don't even know. Like the CEOs, you know, so let alone be a partner. So I was just trying to figure out what was next. And thankfully, the company decided to shut down what we were building like, I came in and helped to create a half a million dollar internal agency to $2.5 million in less than a year. And I was like, Man, I thought I did it. All right. But it didn't matter. Because as we were talking earlier, they wanted to outsource everything that we were doing creatively to India, to Ireland to all sorts of places where they can save a buck and looks good on paper. So that was what lit the fire under me. I was like, hmm, maybe this is a sign. I am not happy. Looking in the mirror, I'm miserable, I'm heavy, just don't feel like I have a purpose. So that's when I was like, Man, I need to I need to figure this out.

Casey Brown  4:01  
And that's killer David. And there's so many people that are just that are just treading water and, and you know, and again in college, you know, there's I've got so many I'm a college graduate myself. And I say that in one way of college was fun. College was great. And I met a lot of people. But at the end of the day, I'm like, what a sham job because for one, they don't they don't teach you anything about like, let's just even discuss personal finance kind of stuff. You know, they're no like, Hey, man, this is how you build a business. They're like, this is what you know, I took a course in management management was one of my graduate level courses that I took. And and I was like, I was like, alright, so they're teaching me how to manage but they've never said anything about you know anything about how to get to the management spot and then and then when you step in there and you're like, alright, you said fulfillment and that's that's a word. I think that so many people especially in today's time You know, fulfillment is it's like, they get one shot at this, you know what I'm saying? I mean, this is this is a one shot deal, life is a one shot deal. And when it ends, it ends, it's over. And so when you do you're like, and you can either get there, we all get to the same spot, but you're either fulfilled while you're getting there or you're just, I always see that cartoon that guy's just carrying his briefcase and Jack and the other and he's just somber, and he's about to fall like he's used the word heavy. So anyway, but yeah, man, that's, that's a killer song. Because there's a lot of people in that boat, and a lot of people that can relate to that.

Unknown Speaker  5:36  
So, yeah, it's really about just getting getting the courage and what gives us courage is knowledge. Right? Just even being aware that you're in that state is a hurdle. I think most people just live through it and get up every day. And they're like, they don't think I'm unhappy, you know, they just go smack somebody or punch or put their fist through a wall, you know, and they don't realize like, that's not happiness, like you are going to eventually end up in the grave younger than, you know. Come on, there's there's something better here. And there's a way there's a there's a path for us. We just have to figure it out. And it really wasn't. And you've heard this a million times, I'm sure on your show. I took the purple pill. And once I got the Kiyosaki book in my hand, I was like, Oh, we can I swear this. Holy s. Yeah, I'm like, Man, this is changing my mindset. This is changing my world. It's the zeros and ones in the matrix. I saw code, and I was like, Holy crap. And as I was driving to my now defunct job that I was supposed to lay off all my staff, and me be the last one out the door, like Ted Danson and cheers that's, you know, anybody who's old enough to understand, but yeah, I'm driving dude. And I'm punching the steering wheel. And I was just out of anger and frustration, but most of all inspiration to to make a change in my life and to try something new and to explore. And you know, when I got that whole Cashflow Quadrant, in my head, I'm like, Yes, I need to live in these two quadrants. And not those two quadrants.

Casey Brown  7:09  
And it's man, it's such a life changing. And it's like, it's like, you just you, you feel like you've been lied to but then you're like, damn, yes, I can do it. Let's go. Yeah, but now I know. And you just and I'll tell you one of the one of the biggest things for myself, which again, was getting over, being pissed off about what I had been through to get to that point. And it's like, and once I was like, You know what? Forget it. Let's go. Yeah. And it just it's like a it's it's it's earth shattering really for, you know, it makes you feel good. So, yeah, man, that's, that's that punch of the steering wheel and being so pissed off at corporate that that you're just that you just are almost thrust into the way of saying, I want this other lifestyle. This was,

Unknown Speaker  8:02  
yeah, brother. And it wasn't just corporate, it was the educational system. Like I was so angry that they never talked about finances. They never taught us anything about money. They only taught us how to be a worker bee. They only taught us to be a cog in the machine, not how to be the machine. Yeah, not how to be the bank, not how to save, not just save for saving sake, but actually saving and freaking investing it like putting it in a place where it's going to make you money. You get me fired up, man, because I'm just like, I'm reliving, like, those stages of grief that you and I both experienced when you get that realization that like, Yep, I've been lied to since date from day one, from day one. And I'm like, I'm not doing this with my kids, my kids are going to see an entrepreneur and a business owner working hard, and hustling and figuring things out. And at the same time, you know, I'm going to teach them about money, and you know, best thing and having your money work for you. And all the things that you and I know and hopefully your audience knows.

Casey Brown  8:59  
Yeah, it's, it's, you know, and I had a guy one time, matter of fact, he's, uh, you know, we're about an hour outside of Nashville. And he's a songwriter that's from here. And one day as like, I was actually talking to his dad, he, they were all good friends. And, and I said, you know, why does it Why doesn't he, like, want to be? Because it's really becoming a songwriter is one thing. And then the, it seemed like the bridge from songwriter to superstar was is considerably closer, certainly than than what I could ever imagine. And I was like, why isn't he because he's, he can sing, he can play he can write and do everything. And he said, I said to his data, so why doesn't he jump in and like, go do some concerts and really, really build his brand or whatever. And he said, you know, as a songwriter, he gets what's called mailbox money. He writes the song that song pays for itself. Infinitely, you know, a penny here a penny there at As the as, as it rolls on and rolls forward, and I thought that term mailbox money stuck with me. And that's been 15 years ago. And I just was like mailbox money, mailbox money, what is how do you do it, and then all of a sudden, as I started piecing these things together, and of course, that being one extreme example of how mailbox money works, but then the investment in itself, reinvesting it in itself, it anyway, you could just go on and on and on. It's like, it's like you, it just gets you fired up and ready to just wring somebody's neck for wasting all that time, time and money. But mailbox money man mailbox money is, is is just a wonderful idea and thought so what, what got you of course, you know, we talked about you being a personal brand specialist. And I think everybody out there needs to have a branding specialist to one for one degree or another. So if you're if you are in a business that that is, has a public facing, you know, side, you definitely need a branding specialist. But his brand is so important that people just go on there like, oh, I went on Fiverr and I got a I got a brand and he only charged me $18? Well, let's talk about because a brand is so much more than just the black and white on a piece of paper that that is a logo, a brand has power a brand brings so much to the table. So tell us a little bit about what you got going on there, how you got to, you know, how you got into the, to that particular space as far as like building a personal brand, and so on.

Unknown Speaker  11:39  
Yeah, I mean, I was always fascinated with logo marks and branding. And then eventually, as I got more sophisticated, you know, in the corporate America and started being on teams, and eventually leading teams to develop marks and brands for large corporations. You know, there was a certain sort of formula that we knew how to extract the information needed from these corporate heads to identify what represents this company to its fullest through this mark, and this word, and to the slogan and tagline, whatever it was. So I got really good at that right in corporate. But it doesn't necessarily apply when I became a solopreneur at the time, because what I was doing was I was trying to create my legacy wealth, I left corporate I said I'm retired from creative, I'm gonna go invest in real estate, I'm gonna do what Trump's doing, I'm gonna do what everybody should be doing, you know, and, and schedule my education and ate it all up. And then within eight months, I got my first multifamily. And then I surrounded myself with real estate investors and syndicators, and people who raise capital and all the people, right, basically, anyone from top to bottom in bigger pockets became my friend. Some of them have close personal friends. And I love this community. I love this community. And I was like, How can I help them, but the thing is, everybody was raising money or flipping homes or wholesaling or syndicating, I was like, I don't know, if this is my thing I don't feel super passionate about, I'm not even great with my own money, let alone, you know, other people's money. So it was a lot of responsibility. But what I was good at Casey was breaking down brands and what it takes to develop a really powerful, strong brand for you. I started so I did it for myself. And then other people would recognize it, you know, especially when you go to imagine we go to these local areas, you know, everybody's if they have a business card, it looks terrible. Generic, I mean, how many homes am I going to see with three homes? And maybe and red and black, you know, or blue and gray? It's all the same stuff. But everyone saw my thing, like who did this? And I'm like me, like, what can you do that for me? And then me became we. And I was like, oh, man, I gotta hire people. And it became a branding marketing agency. But then eventually, I started a podcast, and people were like, I love that who's doing your podcast? Me? And can you do that for me? And then now it's that's what we do. It's always like I do whatever the market asks for. And now it's starting to evolve, like you said, into branding and doing personal brands for people because our clients, we have many, many podcasts, clients don't have personal brands, and they don't understand how to create and why they even need one. Yeah, I'm like, Okay, now I need to help more people this way.

Casey Brown  14:22  
That's right. Well, man, that's awesome. That's a great story now. The personal brand, yeah, you know, the there's, like I said, I joke about the guy that pays $18 and gets a logo off Fiverr and then all of a sudden they're in business and now they're, you know, but But you know, when you start when you start peeling the onion back of the psychology that's involved with the decisions people everyday people make about where they eat, where they're going to stay that they're gonna hotel where they're going to rent a car from where they're going to this where they're going to have that, you know, it becomes ingrained and so I again that that that psychological connection that you've got to figure out as a branding specialist is kind of like writing copy, okay, writing copy is probably, it's like riding an elevator up and down all day every day and never walking out on the floor. For me, it's just not something that I am good at, it's not something I enjoy, it's like you with the other stuff writing copy is, in my opinion, the worst job ever. And when I say writing copy for Pete, for the listeners out there that may not understand what copy is, is of course, you know, how somebody connects to say a picture or how somebody connects to, you know, the ad copy, you know, you have to so but when you start looking at the psychological aspects of saying, okay, hey, I was like this lady want to $1,500, right, eight emails. And I was like, first I was like you have a last year. So outside of that is so outside of my budget, it's unbelievable. Because I can do it in like, 10 minutes, bah, bah, bah. And then, but when she finally started telling us, she's like, Listen, this is not just me sitting down and typing emails. This is me getting into your customers head and saying what makes his head what met what in his head tics. When I say the words, real estate syndication? What does that what type of reaction, and I got there listening and thinking and talking about what these reactions were? And boom, then you showed up? And I'm like, Dude, this is this is big stuff. I mean, this is what this is why the price of you know, nobody sees the nobody sees their bottle of Coke or whatever, increasing in price because coke had to spend so much more defining their audience.

Unknown Speaker  16:43  
Yeah, I mean, there's a there's a reason why Coca Cola, Nike, you know, the biggest brands you ever know, they, they don't go to Fiverr. To create logos and brands for themselves, right? They go to the experts. What we try to do in any form or fashion within as business owners is, shouldn't we be hiring people that know what they're doing and what they're talking about, and why they do it. Like, that's where we were talking before, the mics turned on that a lot of what we do became commoditized, through fiber, and all these other all these other platforms. And what's happened is, you know, these people aren't formally trained. They're not in, like you said, like, the psychology of it, and like why people buy or even invested in you, and why you do things, what your mission is, we've gotten to the level where, you know, we only work with mission driven entrepreneurs, because like those folks that are stepping into a real local Ria, and they're like, Yeah, someday, maybe I'll buy some real estate or flip a house or, and you know, those were the people that I was like, I can't serve you anymore. Because you don't have clarity. You don't know what you're trying to do in the world, you don't even know what you're doing at home with your your, your own life and family. So it's like we working with people who have a mission, have a purpose, and have clarity in what they're trying to do are the easiest people to work with. Because they understand the value in what a brand or body copy or in a newsletter or marketing, sales, all the necessary components to create a successful business, you have to hire experts at some point if you want to level up and have longevity in this game, because you know, this is this. This tough world world, man, Doggy Dog man's chew you up, spit you out. So you got to stand out from the crowd.

Casey Brown  18:30  
Yeah, and you've got to stand out from the crowd and in a way that, that, that almost forces your, your avatar or your your ideal client to take action. And at some point, but so many The other thing, the other element to this, that people that I didn't understand for a long time, I mean, a long time, is you can't just for instance, selling real estate, like being a real estate broker or whatever. And you can't just I see so many of these people that just come into the real estate business. And they just they walk up to somebody I like tap them on the shoulder and say, Hey, you wanna sell your house? No, no, I want to buy a house. Instead of instead of saying, Hey, here's a here's a catalog check this out, in case you ever decide you want to do something, let me know. And you have to start that process starts by telling 1000 people what I just said, Hey, here's a catalog. Let me know if I can ever be of any assistance. You have to tell 1000 People that okay 1000 People you get 10 that that contact you in the next two months is hey, I remember me from so and so. And that's the the part of all of this that I keep going back to is the psychology the psychology of how you step into somebody's world and like I said you so many of these people are like, doing exactly what I want him to do was just Be like, I wanted to bypass all of these steps in the funnel and just go right to that guy and say, Hey, you wanna buy a house? And you know, and he's looking at me like, really what I'm just here to get peanut butter do or see, you know. And so at the same time, when you back into that, and you look at this personal brand, you look at it from a brand standpoint, but man, we spent a lot of time on brand here, I want to I want to shift this and I want to I want to get to your real estate experience, I want to I want to find out what, what took you down the path of even starting to being a real estate investor, and it was an LP or GP, on the passive side, what was what was the step into that

Unknown Speaker  20:35  
I was very active, GP, all everything you mentioned. So I, I mainly did it because I needed, I needed some catalyst, some something to inspire me to do something different than what I was doing for over 20 years. And that was creating legacy wealth. And when I dove in, I met so many wonderful people, you know, people that like I call brothers, they, they were so willing to help. And I didn't know what I needed, you know, it was my wholesaling I was I was in learn mode, and I was like, let me just absorb as much knowledge and then figure out what I want to do. And then find the people that are doing what I want to do, and just shadow them and help them in any way possible. So that's what I did, you know, like when around, like you said, you know, knocked on doors or, you know, sent out yellow, yellow letters and sat down with with with motivated sellers. And I realized what I wasn't so great at was selling to people that were in dire need. They need they were desperate and they needed to get out of that situation. And I'll tell you why I wasn't good at it's because I'm a good listener. Like you are I've listened to your show, you're really good. And I I was like man, I'm sitting down with sellers for three hours because my heart is pouring out and into what their whole story and then I eventually Casey wouldn't get the house. And it wasn't like I was sad to get the house. I was sad for that person. I was like, Man, I'm too emotionally involved. That's when I found podcasting. Yeah. And, you know, in the, in that whole process, you know, I got involved, you know, as a GP and the second oldest winery called Renaud, you know, that's that's a legacy play. You know, there's a there's a golf course there's a full golf course is a 50 room hotel. It's it's just a beautiful, beautiful property here in New Jersey. Yeah, yeah. So so when I got there, it started to open doors because I was meeting more higher level people, you know, created a podcast, you know, strictly around real estate and investing. And then it just created more opportunities. And eventually I found my, my, my, my tribe, you know, in my mastermind go abundance. And then that's when I was like, Yeah, this is this just just changed everything. It's just 10x my life. Yep. So yeah, that's real estate's stuff, man,

Casey Brown  23:02  
man, it's spot on. And then so many times on the show, I come in, and I'm like, Listen, I've said this 1000 times, and I know my listeners, sometimes you've got to be getting tired of hearing it. But if you are the smartest person in the room, you are in the wrong room period in a story that is the that is the thread of life. I mean, if you Richard Branson, I heard that for the very first time. I mean, I remember when he said, where I read that he said it somewhere. But I thought, Man, that's right. Because once you start, like you said, you found your you found your mentor, and I don't care. If you want to be if you want to be a wine tasting guru, or you want to be the best wine tasting guru there is on the planet, you have to find people that are there, so that you can talk to them, much like yourself, like you said, and say, Hey, how did you get to be this wine tasting, whatever. And so, and then, and then, like you said, when you step into the real estate game, and people were just nice and accepting and understanding, because, you know, in general, we all want the same thing. But at the same time, we also want that legacy that says, Hey, man, I helped, I helped Eric out here, or I helped whoever out or you helped me out, you know, and we, and then you just you build that network and your network is your net worth. And that's so it's all tied together every bit of it. Yeah. So

Unknown Speaker  24:27  
what are some of the many things that I realized Casey was, you know, your, your net worth and and the money that you make, is directly tied to the amount of people that you help? Yeah, amount of people that so the more people you serve, the more money you will make? And that's sort of there's all these unlocks that people don't realize, especially when you're in corporate America because no one talks like this. But it's like, the money is the byproduct of creating value. Having value within yourself like you You stepping into the room and being able to charge 200 300 I pay my mentor, one of my mentors $1,500 an hour. Why? Because he has so much value because that hour will make me millions. Yep. So to get to the point where you have all this value locked in here that you just have a conversation with how many times Casey Have you been in, you're talking to someone and you see their jaw dropping, you just changed their world, you just just read a little bit might drop might drop that came easy to you why? Because experience, yep, surrounding yourself with smarter people, all these things, to one another person who's climbing up the ladder, you know, they don't realize you're lifting a hand up, you know, to grab to your mentors who are lifting you up. And then you're also putting a hand down to help someone else. But there's always value no matter what stage in life, you have value to someone, and you can help someone and the more people you help, the more money you'll make.

Casey Brown  25:54  
Yeah, and you have to have that you have to also carry that element of, of thirst for knowledge. You know, like, the fact of the matter is, is that I enjoy going somewhere going into a room or wherever a hypothetical room and say, you know, just to sit and listen, and just listen to, to stories and how things came about. And, and one of the I'll tell you this, you know, again, we're right up here close to Nashville. So one time about three or four years ago, I I got online, I didn't I didn't intend to end up buying tickets to kingdom with the blue. It was the it was the place where Garth Brooks got his start. It was a little teeny tiny hole in the wall bar in Nashville. And I ended up getting tickets to Garth Brooks. It was isn't a little personal setting, there was like 50 people, you know that and it was, it was ridiculously cool. But to sit and listen to his stories, and how how these different songs that we all grew up listening to, how they how they came about and what path they took to get to a production standpoint. And I was just like, I was literally was started piecing that together and saying, Man, this guy is just like us, me, here's the superstar who's greater than who carries a weight of the world because of how he performs and the energy he provides to the people around him. But hearing him talk about that in such a manner like we were just all chillin I you know, I'm saying like, we were just we were just buddies chillin for four hours at night. And that story relating type stuff was was huge. You could just see the, the other people that were wanting to be famous that were there. This was a really intimate event again. And so he was sharing with those people how these things came about, and real life experiences and how they translated into him, then turning them into music. Just fabulous. I mean, absolutely a fabulous, is just exactly what you're saying. I mean, you know, but But no, man, I listen, let's let's kind of move on here. I know, that's a big store. I was

Unknown Speaker  28:18  
I wanted to I want to highlight two things you said, and I'm gonna flip it like this is my show. There's two things that are really important that you just pointed out, Casey, for anyone who missed it is that so Garth Brooks, let's take him for example. He can literally play to 10s of 1000s of people in a stadium of 10s of 1000s. Right. And he has hundreds of 1000s. Not millions of fans, millions of fans across the world, right? Yep. He's the perfect example, like you said, of some like he makes who knows how much money it doesn't even matter to him at this point. That's the amount of people he's serving. That's a direct correlation and example, perfect example that you could Casey but I also want to highlight how powerful this medium is podcasting, and I'm having frustrations of trying to convince people to have everyone's convinced they need a podcast, but anyone who's still doubting, or anyone who's still questioning and trying to figure that they need a podcast. Garth Brooks, another example. Not saying that he has a podcast, but that exact experience that Casey was talking about, and why we grew up to love Bon Jovi, whoever Kanye West, whoever it is, you love, and you feel a connection towards and these are bookmarks within your life's path, like in high school, I listened to with some certain music and I'm like, I'm not back in high school. This is time travel. That's so cool, right? Because you had earbuds you had headphones, and you had a close and personal intimate relationship with that artist.

Casey Brown  29:42  
Yep. And they were singing about something you were able to relate to exactly.

Unknown Speaker  29:46  
Podcasting, and podcasting, your in their ear buds, you're in their heads, you're talking to them one on one and if there's any bit advice of anyone who started podcasting that's listening to this, speak to one person, don't speak to the whole crowd don't say, y'all and people and Instagram and you're talking to one person connect to that one person. Because once you start doing that, that's when the magic happens

Casey Brown  30:14  
when you know, and that's, again, you get back to the commonalities of people in general. If they're if you have a problem, if you have a problem, this this, this pin just doesn't work, right, you know, there's a chance that 1000 Other people right behind you are looking for an answer to that same problem. And it's, it's so the common thread is, you know, hey, help this guy, then this guy calls the next guy and says, Hey, Casey, or Eric, or whoever showed me how to fix this problem. So then that guy comes in and says, Hey, man, John showed me that you knew how to fix it. And it just grows and grows and grows. And you know, as long as you're solving problems, and just leading with value and not expecting so many of the people in the branding world, expect that. How many people just run in? And they're like, oh, yeah, 100 bucks, we can do that. Our HR 250 For that, or whatever. And they're like, and then what do you get, you get, I mean, there's a difference between a logo and a brand. And I don't want to keep going back to and beaten on Fiverr, because I've used some things on Fiverr for some video stuff, and so on and so forth. But, but at the same time, man, I just, you know, doing what you do really gives a lot of, especially coming from where you came from, I mean, that really gives I hope, it gives a lot of hope to people that that want to climb out of have you be talking to somebody making a million dollars a year and, and that million dollars a year at his corporate job, and he's just terribly pissed off every day gets out of bed, he doesn't enjoy time with his kids, because so and so's gonna call and do this or that or whatever. And it's just like, man, calm. Ah, get up people. Let's do something. So anyway. Well, Eric, listen, we're kind of running out of time here, I want you to leave the listeners with a way to get a hold of you, especially somebody that wants to reach out. It's like, Hey, man, I really want to get my brand going. I want to get started maybe some resources that you might be able to offer. I'm going to leave that and let you tell people how to get ahold of you and what you offer.

Unknown Speaker  32:12  
Yeah, I will give my direct email. And I respond as quickly. I mean, I get inundated at this point. So I'm blessed with Eric here ik at on air Just hit me up. If you're curious about podcasting person, all that good stuff, or you can also check out what we do at on air and all our socials are the same so yeah,

Casey Brown  32:36  
easy to program. Hey, I want to highlight real quick. Just before we jump off here he did, folks er ay que. Okay. I want to make sure because we don't want to misspell or miss anything with him. But John Cole

Unknown Speaker  32:54  
Eric can cover all dots.

Casey Brown  32:56  
Yeah, we Oh, man. That's a great story. You're not the first. So that's right. Listen, but er ik at on our and check him out, y'all. I mean, he's, he's, he's definitely there to help and, and Eric man, we really appreciate you being on the show today. I know. We didn't get into a ton of capital raising or a ton of real estate management stuff. But you know, it's just kind of refreshing to, to know and to talk to the people that are involved in other aspects. Kind of outside of just the peer the money talk, you know what I mean? So thanks, man. We really appreciate it. And thanks for having me, Casey. Yes, sir. Hope everybody has a good day and thanks for listening to cashflow Pro. Have a good one.

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